{"id":9269,"date":"2025-12-22T07:02:45","date_gmt":"2025-12-22T07:02:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/2025\/12\/22\/new_data_science_team_lead_struggling_with\/"},"modified":"2025-12-22T07:02:45","modified_gmt":"2025-12-22T07:02:45","slug":"new_data_science_team_lead_struggling_with","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/2025\/12\/22\/new_data_science_team_lead_struggling_with\/","title":{"rendered":"New Data Science Team Lead struggling with aggressive PM on timelines and model expectations"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>    New Data Science Team Lead struggling with aggressive PM on timelines and model expectations<br \/>\n \t<BR><br \/>\n<BR><\/BR><br \/>\n    <!-- no image --><br \/>\n \t<BR><br \/>\n<BR><\/BR><\/p>\n<div>\n<!-- SC_OFF --><\/p>\n<div class=\"md\">\n<p>I\u2019m a data scientist who was recently promoted to be a data science team lead. Overall I enjoy the role, but I\u2019m running into a recurring challenge with a very aggressive product manager (also a leader) that I\u2019m not sure how to handle well yet.<\/p>\n<p>There are two main issues:<\/p>\n<p><strong>1. Project timelines<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Whenever we plan a project, she strongly questions why the data science timeline is \u201cso long.\u201d<br \/> From my perspective, the timeline reflects real uncertainties: data quality issues, iteration cycles, experimentation, validation, and sometimes dependency on upstream systems. But in discussions, it often turns into \u201cwhy can\u2019t this be done faster?\u201d rather than a conversation about trade-offs or risk.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2. Model performance expectations<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>She also frequently questions why the model performance \u201cisn\u2019t better.\u201d<br \/> Even when we\u2019ve already applied reasonable feature engineering, tried multiple models, and are close to what I believe is the practical upper bound given the data, the response is often \u201ccan\u2019t we push it further?\u201d without a clear cost-benefit discussion.<\/p>\n<p>I understand that pushing for faster delivery and better results is part of a PM\u2019s job. I\u2019m not against being challenged. But I\u2019m struggling with:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>How to defend timelines without sounding defensive<\/li>\n<li>How to explain model limitations in a way that\u2019s convincing to non-technical stakeholders<\/li>\n<li>How to avoid these conversations becoming emotionally charged or unproductive<\/li>\n<li>How much of this is \u201cnormal PM behavior\u201d vs. something I should actively push back on as a DS lead<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>For those of you who\u2019ve been senior ICs, DS managers, or team leads:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>How do you handle PMs who are very aggressive on timelines and metrics?<\/li>\n<li>What frameworks or language have you found effective when explaining uncertainty and diminishing returns?<\/li>\n<li>At what point do you escalate, and how?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Any advice, examples, or even \u201cthis is normal, here\u2019s how to survive it\u201d stories would be greatly appreciated.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><!-- SC_ON -->   submitted by   <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/user\/Rich-Effect2152\"> \/u\/Rich-Effect2152 <\/a> <br \/> <span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/datascience\/comments\/1prs5fg\/new_data_science_team_lead_struggling_with\/\">[link]<\/a><\/span>   <span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/datascience\/comments\/1prs5fg\/new_data_science_team_lead_struggling_with\/\">[comments]<\/a><\/span>\n<\/div>\n<p> \t<BR><br \/>\n <BR><\/BR><br \/>\n    \/u\/Rich-Effect2152<br \/>\n \t<BR><br \/>\n<BR><\/BR><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/datascience\/comments\/1prs5fg\/new_data_science_team_lead_struggling_with\/\">Go to original source<\/a><br \/>\n \t<BR><br \/>\n <BR><\/BR><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>New Data Science Team Lead struggling with aggressive PM on timelines and model expectations I\u2019m a data scientist who was recently promoted to be a data science team lead. Overall I enjoy the role, but I\u2019m running into a recurring challenge with a very aggressive product manager (also a leader) that I\u2019m not sure how [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[62,99],"tags":[84,7,4469],"class_list":["post-9269","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-aimldsaimlds","category-datascience","tag-data","tag-how","tag-timelines"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9269"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9269"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9269\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9269"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9269"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mailitics.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9269"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}